General Glen T. Martin was Divisional Commander of the Strategic Air Command (SAC) from 1955-1958, and Deputy Director of Air Force Plans at the Pentagon from 1958-1962. In this interview, he begins by describing NATO's "sword and shield" concept, then discusses details of the Air Force's bomber programs and strategic targeting policy. He defends the bomber force as an essential part of the triad, despite attempted restructuring by some in the Pentagon. He also explains how weapons procurement estimates are calculated. He describes changes in targeting policy, from counterforce, or prioritizing military targets, which he prefers, to urban targets, using the threat of destroying major cities as a deterrent.